I certainly dont want this to be a national contest to see who can piss the furthest, and I embrace every culture of the world(as a matter of fact I would like to move to Australia or Africa permanently), HOWEVER, I think if you take all the factors, all the data, the overall picture is that America is One of the most priviledged countries if not THE most priveledged country in the world. Once again, this is NOT a question of who has the best nation...that is foolishness, but if you take all the factors like:

1)Culture-America sets the standard in terms of music, movies, fashion and most other forms of cultural pop culture.

2)Opportunity-America offers anyone the chance to live the American dream as long as they work hard.

3)Freedom of religion, freedom of speech-Americans can worship anywhere they like and they can say anything they like.

4)Military might- America is one of the strongest nations on earth

5)Technology-Microsoft windows, the automobile(which we invented), we even have the most sophisticated game engines,space race

6)Democracy-The United States constitution is the oldest constitution on earth, and our system is a working example of a just republic.

7)Natural resources-Though America is not a great industrial producer, we still grow a lot of corn and wheat, our land is very fertile.

8)Abundance of land area-America is huge and there is plenty of land for everyone.



I am not saying we are perfect or the best, but we indeed ARE most certainly one of the most privelieged nations on earth.

I dont think you also took things like population density into consideration with your crime statistics, and furthermore crime is not caused by evangelicals, it is caused by sinners, so it seems to reinforce my point instead of contradict it.

But all this misses the original point anyway, you have failed to take into consideration the anti-thesis of "priviledge and prosperity", that is "destruction and degradation". The original argument by Marco was that God could somehow stop natural disaster, I made the point that natural disaster seems to strike areas which have a heavy heathen influence, a point that is still undisputed.

I also don't want to compare nations here, and you are certainly right about the US standards in pop culture. I just wanted to point out that US privileges are very disputeable. Most people who lived in both places - US and Europe - feel that democracy, civil rights, or freedom of press in the US today are less developed than in other western nations.

The argument that natural disasters strike mostly heathen countries sounds as a sort of blasphemy. Its also wrong. The US have far more natural disasters than Europe.

i always thought the automobile got invented by people like otto, daimler, benz, marcus, diesel,...?

He probably referred to Henry Ford, but Ford has not invented the automobile - that was Rudolf Benz - but invented mass production.

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The argument that natural disasters strike mostly heathen countries sounds like a sort of blasphemy. Its also wrong. The US have far more natural disasters than Europe.

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1)Im not talking about natural disaster that doesnt take a lot of human life, Marco was talking about natural disaster that kills lots of people.

The tsunami for example or hurricane katrina.

New Orleans has long been the center of paganism and voodoo in America.


2)When I talk about heathens I am talking about idolatry and paganism. Many gods,blood sacrifices,rituals,voodoo,etc. This is not a predominant way of worship in Europe. Europe simply has no religion.

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He probably referred to Henry Ford, but Ford has not invented the automobile - that was Rudolf Benz - but invented mass production.

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Didnt know that, sorry.

Have you guys seen this, this is so funny: Germany sells automobiles by using cynicism toward American pop-culture

Still, Katrina has certainly killed a lot devout Christians.

Do you think that God accepts the deaths of Christians in order to better mass-murder pagans?

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Still, Katrina has certainly killed a lot devout Christians.

Do you think that God accepts the deaths of Christians in order to better mass-murder pagans?

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I dont think you understand the original point I am trying to make, I will re-capitulate; I dont believe God is causing or preventing natural disaster, I beleiev that mankind is responsible for his own destiny, and that the existence of evil is allowing the destruction.

If you read the original reply to Marco you will understand that marco speculated that God should really show goodness by stopping all the needless destruction, to which I replied that if God did so, He would be more of a social servant.

The Christian belief, properly interpreted, holds man as the powerful creature of earth as evidenced in Genesis "Let us make man in our image"

and "bve fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion "

God gave the dominance of earth to man.

Therefore God is not mass-murdering pagans, PAGANS are mass -murdering pagans.

The other point here is that there are thousands of testimonies from Christians that survived Katrina which talk about God intervening because of their prayers, "coincidences" which they know to be impossible. without supernatural intervention. Of these stories, atheists are willingly ignorant.