Yeah, things are the way theyre supposed to be around here.
If I met that lady in person, I'd give her a good old Red Foreman 'swift kick in the ass'

this weekend i watched a documentary film which belongs to this theme.
it was called "God's next Army" i've found it on video.google, here it is:

video.google.com - God's next Army

(the first minutes of this video is the end of another film and some commercials...it starts after that)

it is difficult to explain what its about, since english is not my mother-tounge. but i'll try:

its about a college that teaches the students to become fanatic religous politicians. it seems that this college has good connections to the white house.
they maybe not as fanatic like those crazy people from jesus-camp but far more intelligent, and that makes it far more frightening.
also frightening is, that they are not only fanatic religous, they are also fanatic nationalists.
when there is an election, the students dont need to go to school but need to help republicans politicians to get their votes.

argh... can't explain it anymore, my english sucks... you better watch the film to understand.

cheers

sinnlos

These guys are crazy ... The sad thing is, these people do not seem to have a choice.

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I finally had give up all my ambitions and .. [started to listen to THEIR advice]

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That's from about halfway, after a commercial.

And still the guy doesn't seem to notice that he's getting brainwashed bigtime there. He should listen to himself, rewind that tape, listen to it and THINK about it.

Things like this totally disgust me, regardless of being religious of nature, that's not what disturbs me here, it's the amount of control that's disturbing...

Cheers

Jesus Camp is bible-bashing, which is being too pressing/pushy and imposing Christianity on someone in such a way that they will be put against it.

in terms of Christianity being just as bad as Islam -- when it comes to craziness, i'd like to point out, as i'm completely aware that suicide bombers aren't representatives of the beliefs of every Muslim -- i'd have to say that Christians in general are quite good.

those suicide bomber's aren't extreme Muslims, because that implies that the more Muslim u are the more inclined u are to kill urself as well as as many other people as possible.

i'm sure there is craziness on all sides, but i'd just like to point out that those (at least where they'd kill to make a point) are examples of bad Christians/Muslims/etc.

Julz

You're obviously not getting my point in the first place. This is not about good or bad christians at all. It's about the way they abuse people's faith in general. This happens on all religious sides, and I think all extremes are just as crazy. Christianity most certainly isn't any better, just look at what the churchs has done in the past, look at a lot of more recent wars too. You might not want to know what get's done 'in name of Christianity', but that doesn't prevent it from happening.

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those suicide bomber's aren't extreme Muslims, because that implies that the more Muslim u are the more inclined u are to kill urself as well as as many other people as possible.

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This is ill reasoning. What do you mean a suicide bomber isn't an extreme muslim? Off course he is an extreme muslim! His ultimate goal is not to kill himself afterall, but to do 'good in name of the Islam' and after that go to heaven and get the promised virgins and an eternal afterlife. Extreme Christians are no different in this respect.

Christians might not be tempted as quick to kill themselves as those islamic suicide bombers, but that obviously has a reason.

It's simply because Christians often believe commiting suicide will get you in Hell, not in Heaven.

Oww and in general those bad muslims aren't seen as 'bad muslims' at all, they become martyrs. It's an interesting question to see wether or not for example those Christian 'saints' actually were 'good'.

I haven't done any research, so I probably can't come up with specific examples, but there's always 'the way people were, and the way people want to be remembered'. Apart from that, what we now think off as 'good', might not have been the same in the past either. Probably not actually.

Cheers

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This happens on all religious sides

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It helps your cause, however, if your holy book says abominations like below:

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"Prophet, rouse the faithful to arms. If there are twenty steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding." (Koran 8:65)

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Okay! You read it, so then let's go out and rout and kill all of the unbelievers, YEAH!

Oh I forgot, I'm not a muslim. Eggh, forget it...

humans are able to travle to the moon, we can reach other planets with probes and robotronic vehicles.
in the other hand we still believe in fairy tale's and false prophets.

how peacefully could life be if there were no religion. time for us to become arisen.

cheers

I would agree with you friend, but I think "Cain the Cougar" below has other ideas.

Aye Matie...
Shiver me timbers!!!
Aha! No more walking the plank.

Soon Ran's game will be released!
And it will conquer the ENTIRE world!!!!
It's time for some fun I tell ye!

Woo, Ha, Ha!!!

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