If there is no big masterplan, no god, no hell or heaven, and all we do does not matter at all...

...then the only thing that matters is what we do, since there is nothing else...

why does it matter then at all?

It doesn't even matter what we do, even if there is nothing else, because we ourselfes don't matter. All that matters is how we feel, that's all that counts, the rest is senseless. But in this context, in certain situations, it's nevertheless also important what we do because that affects the important thing, the way we feel. But in general, nothing does matter at all, not even our feelings. They only matter because we are egoistic.

If that is the case then as you said really our feelings dont really matter either, ultimately. I mean if there is no purpose to anything can you give me a reason that we could *make* our feeling matter? Surely if our feelings did actually matter then that would bugger the argument that there is no purpose in the world

Well, naturally our feelings are, seen in general, senseless too. But since we see the world not from the "top view" but from the view of a human being, there is actually one thing that matters when you see the world from our point of view, namely how we feel. But you're right, ultimately, our feelings are as worthless as anything else [at least as anything else on our small planet ^^]

I would like to compare human being with programmer terms.

Feelings are like local variables. They are important, private and (should) be protected from the outside. If we dont want to share them, we don't do that. If we want, we can show them others a parameters (call-by-value) or we share them (call-by-reference), so that the other being (function) can maybe change/influence our feelings - if we dont enhance our feelings from ourselves and we are determined by others, we are slaves. But naturally, our feelings are declared/determined from our inside and we have to keep an eye on it.

Values like morality, common sense and so on are just interpretations like calculations we do inside functions that base on global values. Every being can access these values but they can make something new with it.. an interpretation. Someone takes a feeling of hate or peace.. and multiplies it with 0... because in his history he had events that changed them for mistake (haha) - so he becomes ghandi, Hussein or Bill Gates... or whatever.

This goes further.. compared to the entity methodology, an entity could create another.. this is like borning childs. You can create it and you can make it to your slave, you can determine his/her morality skills and so on. But you can show your child only the values of life or your own interpretation as long as you learned it. Everyone know the global variables.. but how should your child know how to use it in certain situations? What should I do when I'm in love? What clothing is good for me as long as I dont know what to wear? Is alpha=50 nice for me or something like the half of my parent's alpha value?

Every being is floating in space, working to gain things like money, love, success, the reason to be dont terminated/killed/to live. You can change the world, indeed. You can leave signs that say "this was done by me". Functions are the same. You could write a virus thats only purpose is to show how might he is. Or a shadowmapping routine that makes a shadow and proudly say "I am the shadowmaster". Or Windows.. that says "Hello, I'm crashing now for your entertainment".

Everything has its purpose. From the beginning. Maybe you know it. Or not. But you have the ability to find it out or to change your internal program to break free and find your own determination before the big exit(); comes. And it comes. For sure.

So make the best of it and leave signs!

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whoaw... I'm a freak

it does matter what we do. because we define ourselfes through the things we do.
so if you say: it does not matter what we do becasue there is nothing, you define yourself as something.

i say, i am what i am because i do what i do. what i think or feel does not matter, because it means nothing as long as i dont act. my actions define me, not my intentions. thus, i am a hero when i actually save someone, and no hero if i just say that i would save someone if i ever get the chance.

i am a good person if i act when someone is in trobule, and if im not acting, it does not matter for anyone why i didnt act. i did not act when i was needed, and this matters, because it changed things...


and thus, it is important what we do, this way or the other...

hey, what's the matter? it doesnt matter if it matters until it matters if it doesnt matter

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i am a good person if i act when someone is in trobule...{/quote]

sure about this?? maybe that person is in trouble for a reason you dont know. even if that reason doesnt matter it matters if you act and thus you will get the response no matter if it matters or not

It's anti-matter for sure.

So there are 2 types of 'matter'; the one in general, global, for the big masterplan (which doesn't exist), and the local one, for each individual differently defined to how they think about it.

and this once again leads to the thing i say: it matters, even if it just matters for you or one you know/dont know. it does matter how you act...