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Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92706
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And , I just noticed (it will look better if fixed) you could move up a little the starting point of the particles for the fire of the candles.

PS.: I think Grimber ment that you could lower the sprites above the lava , and that should give it more glow effect. (I played SilkRoad 3 months ago and noticed that there is glow on every object in the game (even bluring the sky with the mountains) to give the game softer look , dunno how it is done but looks great )


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Re: lava cave [Re: EpsiloN] #92707
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guess it was a HDR or bloom effect.

@ all: i removed the candles, now getting a constant ~76 in fullscreen and 153- 223 in window mode. but i liked the idea of floating candles, so i have to compromise somewhere...

Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92708
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make the candles darker so that it offsets the red lights and if they move in a specific pattern make them into one large entity that spans the size of the cave, it'd be a lot of work but would probably save a little bit of processing power not having that many entities.

Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92709
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but i liked the idea of floating candles, so i have to compromise somewhere...



Maby , put 3 chains from the ceiling and a ring at the end and arrange 5-6 candles per ring dunno the word for that item , my dictionary translates it to "chandelier, lustre, pendant"...


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Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92710
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i already reduced the glow tgas to the half, now it looks much more like smoke (what it actually should look like) and not like a glow.

@grimber: your suggestion sounds interesting, but i have no clue what you meant, sorry, can you give an example/ a small how-to?




Sorry I don't have pics right now to show examples

well, along the edge of where the lava meets rock you may want to create an entity, or path or something where you can create more glow sprites/effect() to intensiofy the glow just along the edges ( sort of like the edge of the lava is super heating the rock making it glow brighter than the lava)

path waypoints can be used as end points of a vector for generateing an effect or a line direction for ent_creating your lava glow sprites. or an path shaped model that using its vertices as ent_create/effect() points

the enviroment is allot of subtle shades and transitions. so your glows/smoke was sort of overdriving in compairson to the rest. should be more subtle on large area and more intenst on few specific consitrated points


the fog: view fog should be gradual. good distances between start and end.
Level geometry you can set the visible surfaces to fog themselves by setting the textures albedo value to one of the fog colros your using. (i,e, say I set fog 3 under WED properties (or d3d_fogcolor) then on a wall in a level I apply a texture where I set the textures albedo value to 03). that surface will now fog at that color fog based on your fog ranges. great way to get surfaces to react based on distance, especialy when you use one fog color on the view and diffrent colors on the surfaces. ( divide a surface to smaller layered blocks and set your fog colors as shades/transisions of a color/shade. then set the block layers incremeted in fog colors. creates a gradient fogged surfaces)

remember there are 5 FIVE fog colors but you can set only 4, the last is defualt black fog so don;t make a black fog in fog 1-4

adjust view.fog (camera.fog) to effect how much fog effects geometry shadows

models naturaly fog unless you set the nofog flag on them they fog based on clip range and fog range. is supposedly a shader in the template_6 that supposedly effects entity fogging but I don;t understand shaders enough to figure it out or know how to use them.... I don;t even have a working fx to test them on models ( assigned through MED)

BUT... you can set up your level static entities with materials that keep their own reactons to light low ( albedo/ambient/ more difuse ( make en entity a bit more foggy looking) then take advantage of how a dynamic casting light ( especialy from the FPS point of view) can light a dull lookign entity up with the specular material threshold as the light moves in range of the entity

Re: lava cave [Re: Grimber] #92711
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step #1: glow reduction



i adjusted the material of the arcs a bit, now you can see a texture structure. the mtex-terrainshader behaves very badly on lights, i get no specular effect, whatever i script as material.

btw: why do "turbulence"-surfaces do not react on fog/ fog their own way, without using the ambiemt/albedo values i set in WED?

todo: re-enable candles, play around with materials even more

Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92712
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might be because turbulent textures are suppost to signify/flag the boundry between 2 differnt fogging regions to the engine? (above ground and underwater swimming)

would be a good question to ask conitec... never gave it much thought myself

Re: lava cave [Re: Grimber] #92713
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plus, turbulence surfaces are a real framerate killer... reduction to ~55, in all resolutions. but they look nice... a more detailed tesselation does not help here. i gonna ask it.

Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92714
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The level looks really great

i just don't see the interest of using multitexturing , it's not a big terrain ?
or perhaps are yuo making some old effects like animated transparent water texture on top of another texture ?

Re: lava cave [Re: broozar] #92715
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in wanted to keep you informed about my progress. tht's the original SeriousSam2 level/the inspiration:








this looks really great! very nice level and atmosphere

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