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Superku
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08/17/15 11:15
08/17/15 11:15
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Superku
About the game: Over 5 years in the making, Superku is a hobby developer's modern take on the classic side-scrolling platformer genre. The game features an easy to learn, yet very difficult to master vertical jump'n'run gameplay across 32 highly varied stages! Steam® Store Page: http://store.steampowered.com/app/407570 !!!!!!!!!! Coming soon, but you can add it to your wishlist already! (^.^) Launch Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_orzV-nQpL4
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Re: Superku
[Re: Kartoffel]
#456916
12/15/15 18:31
12/15/15 18:31
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Thanks for the input. some kind of 'hard mode' where being hit just once sends you back to the last checkpoint Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do, the game feels much better already. You can still die from one hit when you fall into lava pits and such. The game is so hard right now, almost stupidly hard. I'd even say in its current state (with the 1 hit kill mentality) it's one of the hardest games ever made, even for me as the dev. And I think people would not like that too much. EDIT: Thank you too, Firo. Some good points. I have one checkpoint in about 90+% of the levels (some levels are not suited for checkpoints). Without those the game would be outright frustrating so I'm going to keep them for the hard mode, too. I think I will just do a regular and a "Superku" mode with one hit kills. The game has (/ is supposed to have) online leaderboards for 3 different times per level. What do I do with 2 difficulties though, separate leaderboards?
Last edited by Superku; 12/15/15 18:35.
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Re: Superku
[Re: Superku]
#456917
12/15/15 18:35
12/15/15 18:35
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If it is hard for the dev, then you indeed must change something, unless you want to advertise as "hardest game ever made". I remember when we did the Prince of Lotteria project in 2012, it was quite easy for us to get through the levels, although we (the devs) failed here and then. We thought the difficulty was challenging but fair.
The first comments on the project were: "too diffcult", "frustrating", "unfair". ...:D You know every little detail of the levels, all the pitfalls, all the dirty tricks, the players don't.
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Re: Superku
[Re: FBL]
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12/15/15 18:38
12/15/15 18:38
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Haha yes, I get that. However, I'm not too sure how much you should the customer dictate such stuff. There could be 50% of the customers saying it's way too hard while the other half loves the difficulty. If I lower the latter the game may not appeal to those anymore who are looking for the challenge. Personally, I'm always disappointed by the Mario games (2D, 3D) because they have become so easy that the absence of challenge kills the enjoyment for me. EDIT: You know every little detail of the levels, all the pitfalls, all the dirty tricks, the players don't. Yeah, that's absolutely true!
Last edited by Superku; 12/15/15 18:39.
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Re: Superku
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12/15/15 18:41
12/15/15 18:41
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The game has (/ is supposed to have) online leaderboards for 3 different times per level. What do I do with 2 difficulties though, separate leaderboards?
I would recommend three diffculty levels: - Beginner: Really easy (from dev point of view), multiple lives, additional checkpoints, not all levels and bosses included - Normal: somewhat easy (from dev point of view), less lives, less checkpoints, all levels and bosses included - Hard: Current version If you're looking for some really hard sample game you might want to get your hands on a Genesis emulator and play "Rocket Knight Adventures" for a few hours. If features unlockable diffculty levels and ranges from challenging to pretty-f**ing-single-hit-I-hate-this-f**ing-stupid-game crazy hard difficulty. I would expect a similar way could work for Superku.
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Re: Superku
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12/15/15 18:46
12/15/15 18:46
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The point is to make a game fair. And that can be really difficult. A game may be hard as hell, but it has to be fair, so the player knows HE messed up, but he had his chance. I expect that you have some common areas in your levels where you and your testers keep failing, because timing is essential but hard to hit, or due to random stuff which can lead to unavoidable death.
Try to get a bunch of testers, from the primary targe gamers as well as some other people, and watch while they play. Watch their emotions, watch how they play. Record everything so you can look up things later on. It will give you an idea of the real problematic areas in the game. Some of those might not be fixed easily by just adding additional lives. This is hard work, but it can make the difference between a good and a great game.
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Re: Superku
[Re: ulfster]
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12/15/15 21:19
12/15/15 21:19
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Try to get a bunch of testers, from the primary target gamers as well as some other people, and watch while they play. Watch their emotions, watch how they play. Record everything so you can look up things later on. It will give you an idea of the real problematic areas in the game. Some of those might not be fixed easily by just adding additional lives. This is what came to my mind. The old creative saying "Don't work in a vacuum." At a point for writing, games ,comics, music, and all other things creative, you need to start the exposer to first, respected peers, then test groups of the target audience. I saw game-play videos the other day, the platformer was high die/ to respawn. One hit one kill, but you respawned on current screen. The player loved the rapid fever pace of it. As I understand you worked many ideas around Superku, if it does have a core play system, then build lives around the target audience's use of the core system. Anyways my two-cents. Take it out the laboratory, do some field testing... Mal
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Re: Superku
[Re: ulfster]
#456931
12/15/15 21:20
12/15/15 21:20
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hey kartoffel, nice to see you are still working on the project! you probably mean Superku
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