Well I am not a biblistic expert but I feel that you , along with many other religious guys, pretend ignoring , even if in good faith , what Bible really states

I repeat , read Erasmus \ Luther discussion about predestinations

Erasmus tries to convince Luther using common sense arguments
Luther does not even try to counter attach on a logic or human like basis , it would be impossible , of course
It simply says :
" Erasmus, read the bible"
It is the same kind of answers which I and other people have got from NITRO
That said, I dont mean that Nitro and the fundamentalists are not good persons but for sure they are consistent people regardless of the consequences , while progessive Christians want, in my opinion :

"To wear two pair of shoes at the same time "

I dont know wether it makes sense also in Eglish but I suppose you got what I mean