Ok something to look at

I don't just like in their site some sort of seminars to learn the engine wher you must pay

Let me laught thisis a very little/new engine ... far away from Unreal3.
And when you buy one , you're supposed ot have all docs,tutorials to start ??

Strange ...

Well like i said need a complete full scene demo with all shader/effects/characters etc ... but for outdoor games i don't see terrain/water/folliage editor ?

I'll look at it again within end of the year ... if something new, or real ccomplete non Web demo exists ?