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Not so incredible when you consider I have never stated that I hold them in high opinion; that's your fantasy, not mine! smile

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And anyway, there is nothing about being military or government that turns "hearsay" into "evidence". Just because President Jimmy Carter saw something he can't explain doesn't mean that this is "proof" of alien existance."

So you just cant be wrong fastlane ? You will contradict yourself constantly and claim to be right ?
So if scientific community decided the poof of ufos is too much and accept the theory , would you accept it ? Or , would you have to see a UFO yourself ? And if you do , would that be enough ? Or would you need to inevitably be taken aboard a ship and probed , and even then , would u chuck it up to losing your sanity ? See , thats the problem with a person who fully refuses to even minutely accept any type of evidence for something they are 100% against, maybe if you saw an actual alien , you might kill yourself because your brain just cant cope with that reality.

The people on the video , were all military trained professionals , who have kept this to themselves for over 20 years , now , they are older , and no longer part of the government , so they obviously have less pressure , and have decided to come forward. A lot of the classified files had been declassified , and we clearly hear the account of what happened , and it's exactly the same as the man describes , so this man is obviously not an insane incoherent bastard , everything he said is proven with the audio recordings. Now , the government just put it was a weather balloon they had seen when the incident was over , but if you saw the whole video , you see they clearly state they contacted the weather people about any possible weather balloons in that area , and their response was they had nothing over there , they hadn't sent out anything , so it COULDN'T have been a weather balloon, yet they still put thats what it was , just how they say all ufos people see are weather balloons , what a coincidence.
The another trained expert in reading radars comes and examines the radar imagees from the incident , and clearly states that it does not look like a weather anomaly , it looks like there are some things there.

Then the plane they sent to chase this lights , went as far up as it could , but could never get to them ,the pilot said it looked like the lights just kept going up , right out of the planet , and dissapeared .

Are you actually saying this was a military plane fastlane ? To this day , they dont have planes that can fly out of the planet , only big huge rockets for that, so this IS NOT hear say. This is a well documented incident , involving government officials , where we have the audio transmitions of what happened , the radar images , and the testimony of the people who were there , and they chased the lights , lights that just floated up untill they were out of the planet , then dissapeared.

All of the people who were present at the incident , believe it was UFOs , they have explored other possibilities , but none match what happened , everything points to UFOs. Now , you are disguarding all of this people's testimonies , men who are now retired who have served the country all their life , you just disreguard their testimony to what happened like they were some fools and you are some super genius who knows everything , and even know what happened that day better than they do , who were actually there. So , let me ask you this , what was it they saw ? Look at the video , analize the audio , description , radar images they show , and description of everything that happened, what was it ? Maybe the brightest mind in the planet who solves all of our mysteries by saying it's nonsense until he sees them with his own eyes , maybe he can solve what those people saw ?

So, tell us what it was , so we can contact the retired officers and let them know it's ok , it wasnt a UFO , we'll tell them what they saw 30 years ago , so the incident doesnt trouble them anymore.

Here is a quote from the bible , as incredible as it sounds , people like you fastlane have existed from the begining of time, here it is when the disciples saw Jesus had come back , but Thomas wasn't there when it happened , so you have all the disciples telling him Jesus came back , adn this is what he answered

"But Thomas , one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands, and put my finger in the mark of the nails and my hand in his side, I will not believe." A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you." Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe." Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe." "

So , it is clear that NO AMOUNT of evidence could ever convince you , you just stated if the president said he saw UFOs you would still consider it hear and say and nonsense , so , it is pointless to keep showing you proof , you will refute anything , even an encounter, I am sure you would dismiss it as losing your mind rather than accepting that this things do exist .

Here is the funny part in all this , being a science believer , I would assume this is easier for you to deal with than for say , the religious groups , as you believe in the universe and chance and physics , which all predict life being possible everywhere , which would mean that there could be other much more adgvanced planets in our universe , and we have some stars that are pretty close , we have a couple that are 4 and 5 light years away , that means that if an intelligent species lives in one of those stars , and they are advanced to the point of traveling at the speed of light , it would take them just 4 years to get here , now , if their clocks are different than outs , and to them it's just half a year (not all planets orbit a 360 day year) , then it's incredibly possible that this beings could come visit , and see whats happening here .

Now you can argue intelligent life , but , if you believe in the theory of evolution , then you believe life just somehow can spawn with the right conditions (which if all the universe is the same like you state then this conditions are standard) , and this life begins to evolve , into much more intelligent creatures (even a shitty bug is super intelligent and magnificent considering the first theorized cell), untill you have something like us . So if you believe in science and evolution , you have to accept that any planet supporting life would have life , and you have to believe that life had to evolve , which means there must be people like us there , or more intelligent , or in the process of evolving to people like us , so it's all dependant on the timmeframe this organism started evolving. All the universe is the same right ? And it all follows the same laws right ? So , if all this is true , and the main reason earth has it's conditions is the distance form the sun , then there you have to assume there are tons of planets with the same distance , since the distance is part of the equation of the creation of the solar system which is a direct result of the creation of a star. The tilt , is not nessesary , we definately benefit from it , but it is not a necessecity for life on earth. And the magnetic field is caused by the core , so that shouldnt be a problem either , all pllanets have cores.

So , if you believe in science , believing in Aliens and Ufos really shouldnt be that big of a problem , since you already believe in a scientific world, and we see the ufo's , there are TONS AND TONS of testimonies , and now even government officials , but you refuse to believe any testimonies.

So accodring to fastlane , all of our ancestors were liars , all of the religions are fake and false stories written by our lying and deceiving forefathers , and all of the UFO testimonies are lies as well , by our lying and deceiving citizens of the world , and all of the astronauts testimonies are lies from are lying stronauts , and all of the testimonies from government and military officials are lies as well , from our lying and deceiving government officers. So they are all lying bastards then ? All of our people are lying deceiving snakes , who want us to believe nonsense ? Exept you and your tiny group of evolutionists , they dont lie , you speak 100% verified truth about every single thing in the world and universe ? Oh, and have the answers to all questions as well right ?

I wonder what you will say to refute my arquments , you seem to just dismiss anything you dont agree with anyway , I'm starting to think posting here is pointless , but in any case , the truth will eventually be revealed.