I think I finally understand where Chris is coming from. Please correct if I am getting it wrong.

Chris feels that God is the creator of everything. The heavens, the planets, the mass and atoms that make up all matter.

Using science and logic man observes these objects and forms laws of physics, and logic, and how everything works. Since God put all this in place we are only observing what God created thus all logic, science and knowlegde are directly related to God.

I think that is the point Chris is trying to make.

So far man has been unable to prove the existance of God, thus we need to have faith, make the leap over the facts and believe or not.

So in my feeable old mind it still comes down to faith. Not logic, not science, just faith.

I need to keep things simple or I get cranky....

Ken