Originally Posted By: Nardulus

Chris feels that God is the creator of everything. The heavens, the planets, the mass and atoms that make up all matter.

Using science and logic man observes these objects and forms laws of physics, and logic, and how everything works. Since God put all this in place we are only observing what God created thus all logic, science and knowlegde are directly related to God.

This is partially correct. God though did not create logic and math, rather it reflects his nature - infinite, unchanging, eternal, immaterial. God designed nature intelligently (or with wisdom for you who do not study the bible), and created us in his image with rational minds (wisdom in the inward parts-Job 38:36 for those of you who haven't read the bible) which depend upon him for every thought we think. God says "let us reason together" Isa.1:18 Or as Nardulus said "all logic, science and knowlegde are directly related to God"
The Babylonians did not create math- man simply discovers math. PHeMoX said "A lot of it was figured out by looking at the stars, understanding patterns, movements and so on all through logic.". Of course they discovered much from the creation of the world, the heavens declare the glory of God (Psa.19:1, Rom.1:20) God asked Job a rhetorical question in ch.38:33 regarding the stars "Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?" Some people would have us believe that logic and math was created by men and they set the ordinances of heaven. ("He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh")
Jesus Christ most definitely is God in the flesh (Jn.1:1, 1 Tim.3:16) and if you don't believe this you will die in your sins according to Jesus Christ (John 8:23-4).
Man does not prove the existence of God it is clearly evident to everyone so much so they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20 All of their thoughts depend upon God since they require logic and science (uniformity in nature). Mans problem is sin, and this is why they do not like to retain God in their knowledge (Rom.1:28). Yet there is no philosophy that men can invent that is not dependent upon uniformity in nature and logic. Nor is there any philosophy that can account for (make sense of) logic and uniformity in nature, no not one. So as God would say to you infidels "bring forth your strong reasons" (Isa.41:21). Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? It is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. (1 Cor.1:18-31)
Let me exhort all unbelievers to repent of this foolishness and Christ shall give thee light. There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD (Prov.21:30). Quit trying to ignore God's revelation of himself to you at every thought, God knows the things that come into your minds, every one of them. And he will judge the secrets of the world by Jesus Christ according to the gospel.
Christ died for your sins and was buried and rose again the third day and only faith in what he has done will save you (1 Cor.15:1-3).

Last edited by ChrisTodd; 09/11/08 17:52.