Originally Posted By: PHeMoX
Excellent point, but it's all about what offends people when it comes to this. I don't think Christians would like it when we would treat their religion as a mythology just like all the others. Basically this is what you're asking for, if you'd want it to be taught in the same manner.

Evolution is treated as theory, not as law. But it currently still is the 'best there is', so yeah I can see why you think it's considered 'law'. There's plenty of evidence to prove most aspects of evolution, but not all. There are definitely things that aren't known yet. We should be glad that science in general admits this and treats evolution as theory based on facts.. but not as flawless law. Many critics of evolution seem to totally discard this uhm paradigm as if it doesn't exist and as if scientists pretend to know everything.

Many of this is questionable at best, it's pretty unlikely that the Bible has any true historic value. There's actually more evidence for the contrary. Sure, some texts are old, but that doesn't mean that the stories told are really historic. Apart from that, the first texts that do seem to be authentic are at least 150 years after Jesus written down and some of the stories predate the Bible itself by a long long time... so, how can a story happen twice? Or even more often as many other cultures seem to have a similar story, predating the Bible by many years. Or was the Bible inspired by for example Sumerian mythology? I think the answer is dead obvious.

While I'm not sure about what exactly you are hinting on here, it still doesn't mean it has anything to do with divine creation as mentioned in the Bible. It basically means we still have plenty to discover. Don't forget that from a logic point of view, there has to have been a moment in time where there was nothing before something. At least.. I think so. Perhaps it's too difficult to grasp a scenario in which there has always been something, but still.

Complexity of a system is no proof for divine creation or intervention. In fact, there's no proof for design here, it just turned out to work as it is. In hindsight it doesn't say anything about whether it's coincidental or designed.

There are as many theories as there are different ideas on the subject to be honest.

In our schools a lot of theories are actually being taught during religion classes. Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Christianity and so on. I'm sure the Spaghetti Monster got left out on purpose because it's mocking the whole thing (it did get mentioned during classes about 'agnoticism' I think, not sure), but we've even been taught about the Intelligent Design theory. I think this is great, but we've never been taught 'creationism' as a serious alternative to evolution for good reasons!!

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First off, I'd like to say that I like debating with you PHeMoX, you do consider facts well.

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It is true that we would not like our religion taught as mythology laugh but that's not what I meant, I was just comparing our religion with some other religions. Of course I say this dismissing the fact that Buddhism DID go through quite some problems in China.

That depends on who is speaking the evidence. There are times when questions are asked in science and select people say "Well Jimmy, it must have been evolution. Ha ha ha." *sarcasm abounds* and these are the "closed minded views" I refer to, but I guess basing the majority on a few idiots is like basing the whole Christian belief system on the idiots who continually persecute things every year. (simple fact: spore was one such criticized game, which I think is ridiculous :P )

One problem with this though, if you count most of the old texts as "questionable at best" you could say the same of these old bones found in rock, or any of our old history that has been recorded. I also don't agree that there is more evidence to the contrary, because they were stolen from the Jews doesn't mean that it is questionable. In fact, books from the bible make up the Torah, and it is over 3000 years old, that actually means that such books that are in the Torah, have been proven that they were written at their supposed time. I think it's also safe to assume that if the books we grabbed at first are legit, that the Catholics did not "make up" other texts, on the contrary, they refused to put certain books in like "the forgotten books of eden" because they considered them to be fiction (I don't agree with the assumption, but anyway). That sounds like more Evidence to support the bible.

I never said that everything was here to begin with, the bible says that God came from another place, meaning that God was not in the physical domain, when God decided to come over He began creation.

Mere coincidence is not what I would call scientific, also I would fear if it was coincidence, simply because coincidence could lead to destruction. The evidence I refer to is more than just Jupiter, I think it would have taken more than just coincidence for our solar system to be "designed" for us.

It's great to hear that they have religion as a subject, and they give you freedom of choice. The fact is when it does come down to it, we don't fully KNOW, I believe what I do because of personal experience as well as evidence that has been in the bible. It just comes down to one thing, there is only one absolute truth, let us just hope that you can accept it in the end. Just remember what I have said when the news reports that thousands upon millions of people disappeared in an instant.

- aka Manslayer101