@Tobias - that sounds like a good bunch of advice to me! Is there a listing of commands for lite-c on this site somewhere?
I just want to see what the commands are like, before I try 3dgs commercial, or even just plain lite-c. You might be right about DBPro, and I have had and used DBPro for more than just a few months now. I've got the basics of DarkBasic(Pro) down pretty good, and you are right about all the expansion packs for DBPro. After looking at the features (of each 3dgs edition), I guess 3dgs is like all those DBPro expansions combined!