Originally Posted By: Lukas
...there are many theories about that (the origin of life). We just don't know yet which exactly is the right. But what we know is that is DID happen by chance!


If you admit that you don't know how something happened, then it's really unscientific to rule out some possibilities, like an Intelligent Designer.

Originally Posted By: Lukas
Originally Posted By: Dooley
"and since all of these things seem to follow an orderly, intelligent system, ..."

Does it?


Yes it does. Let me give some examples:
1. Cell reproduction. Cells can reproduce themselves with remarkable accuracy. This is not random, it is an amazingly complex system, which occurs throughout every species of animal, plant, fungus etc... Try making a candy bar that reproduces itself... I think a team of the world's best scientists, with all the funding in the world will not be able to do this... ever, nor will they be able to explain it in terms of chance. There are too many laws involved which govern the universe to explain them away as chance.

2. Forces. The forces of Gravity, magnatism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces all behave consistently throughout the known universe. It binds matter together, and keeps planets in orbit around stars, and moons around planets. All this serves to maitain a secure environment in which life, as mentioned above, can grow and evolve. If chance were the governing force in the universe, we would not be able to rely on the sunrise in the morning, or the cycle of the moon. The underlying order allows us to predict these events accurately, this implies design, not chance.

3. Time. Time flows in one direction, at least our perception of it is limited to one. It's always ticking away in one direction. No chance involved here. If it were chance thaen every day would be a crap-shoot. I might wake up three weeks ago, or 100 years in the future. Time is consistent, predictable and orderly. Another evidence of design, not chance.

4. Morality. This is connected with something AlbertoT wrote.

Originally Posted By: AlbertoT

A female camel refused to have sex with two male camels, because she had to take care of her kid
No problem
One male camel engaged the female camel while the other one kicked her baby to death
Should I assume that such behavior has been planned on purpose , by a God of love?


So you're saying that you have an innate sense of what is right and what is wrong? You can judge for yourself whether the actions of these camels was 'good' or 'evil'? Where did this sense of morality come from, on the backs of crystals? Again, religions teach that God gave us the choice to do good or to do evil, it's up to us. Blaming God for the actions of these camels is hardly a valid argument against His existence. i happen to believe that animals have been given choice as well, not just humans. They are a bit more limited in what they are capable of, but it's still right and wrong, and they still will bear it's consequences.

5. Death. Death will overtake all of us, and it remains a huge hole in any scientific analysis of the universe. We simply cannot claim to understand what happens to our consciousness after we die. Any attempt to do so (without divine intervention) would be foolish. We each face this unknown and we each will be taking our choices with us. This is enough for me to reject any false claims that God doesn't exist.

Originally Posted By: Lukas

It's not unscientific to ignore insane claims by unknown people. If I wrote a book with ridiculous claims that I met some superior being it wouldn't be considered unscientific if scientists ignore it! And don't call it "available data"! It's no data. It's ridiculous claims.

Any you fully ignored my actual message: If god can't be proven or disproven, it means that he doesn't influence in the world!


And who will decide who's claims are ridiculous? Who appointed these judges? Everyone with a mind has ultimately to decide for themselves which claims are ridiculous and which are not.