The claim has been made that there is a God. That God communicated His will, and influenced entire societies into major changes. I'm speaking particularly of the ancient Israeli civilization, and the more recent Islamic civilization.

Both began with a single man, who made this claim. Now if those men are innocent until proven guilty, let's see your evidence.

With the Old Testament, it's easy to find contradictions and problems. However, these can easily be attributed to people who came afterwords, making changes either deliberately, or not. in fact, later parts of the Bible even state this clearly. That the scribes have made the Torah into a lie (Jeremiah 8:8) and that the Pharisees observe the laws of men, but disobey God, etc...

Why would the Jews, if they had made this book up, call themselves liars, and hypocrites in the same text?

Then Muhammad comes along with the Quran, which proclaims that the Torah and the Gospel were indeed revealed books, but that the Jews and Christians of later times had tampered with the texts. There are a lot more easy ways of starting a religion.

Before you all write back with bad things to say about Muhammad and Jesus and Moses, please remember we're here for science. You should provide evidence for anything you want to say.

Oh yeah... it's a girl! smile


Last edited by Dooley; 12/25/08 05:18.