wow, i have comm but i think this is a great move, reason being, people now have two great free engines to choose from, which also means we'll see alot of more members hopefully making content for 3dgs, who knows where it may push us, am just curious as to what you'll do to announce that to the public, limiting the use of shaders? well... idk, 3dgs can look REAL ugly without shaders, cant even make a basic terrain look good but ok, i guess ppl will always find somthing else you can/should make "free".. good luck in the battle, although now am pretty sure torque will follow soon