yes i understand, currently the testers are from Israel, Italy, Australia and me in Jamaica, one of them in particular gets pings of over 250 and its still running smoothly and un-optimized, i just think that instead of creating our own personal "great idea", create something that can bring people to the engine, looking at the examples from torque and unity should show what i mean, users always talk about demos/projects to represent the engine and i see a chance here but see where more personal ideas are being issued, also, the survival game using the native gs mp functions ran pretty smooth and the author himself knows exactly how it could be made smoother...