lol.. oh whoops. per-pixel lighting, my bad.. lol, making me feel noobish and i do use shadeC, boh_havocs WIP shader package is being applied to every surface in scion, he did a great job with this pack in terms of speed

the fact of the matter is that most ppl here wont complete a game even if they get what they want, its just something i've seen, most games here dont progress pass a simple demo...