yes i knw but i wasnt talking about the engine PLUS addons, i mean, not everyone wants to apply a shader to every model they wanna light nicely, basically am not worried too much because from what i see so far, GS can be great under the right user.. i just wish the engine was marketed more and given a facelift, starting with this dumbsh*t of a website, heard them mention something about wanting videos for a video gallery then what? nothing... nothing at all... and umm, to everyone thinking of A8? lol, oh stop.. it aint happening any time soon..