Originally Posted By: sebcrea
@Pappenheimer so in other words we are just getting what we deserve,

Nonsense. Please, read carefully, start from beginning! wink

Originally Posted By: sebcrea
If the west is reponsible why are the first victims of die growing jihadi movements other more peacefull and enlightened muslims.

Did I say anywhere that they have reason?
I said: there _are_ 'causes', not: they _have_ 'reason', in the sense of 'they are arguing or thinking reasonable.