Gafar: Good Point! While I believe the visor effects in Metroid Prime 2 are mostly particle and filter effects, they're still effects.

Firoball: I think it's easy to suggest that graphics come second to gameplay, but I think graphics are a part of gameplay. They work together. But, graphics don't always mean fancy effects or the latest technology. They can also mean excellent art direction. Seeing as we have no way of testing the gameplay of "Lived" we have to judge based on shots.

Now, while I'd love to discuss this further, I think we're just spamming. If someone were to start this tread back up somewhere else, I'd deffinately join the debate.

On "Lived": I can't wait to see more or play a demo!