ok, but a 5200fx can run doom3 at med specs, i know that because i have one in my desktop pc, programming fallbacks to that level is good, but what everyone here seems to want is something that a machine from 1999 should still be able to play, i mean come on.... if you have a machine that is so low that you need something that old, you should not be on this forum, you should be on newegg looking for some upgrades