Wow, a lot has happened since I was away...

Hey, Irish_Farmer, you basically said you only wanted this discussion to be between you and Macro, but may I join in?

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Now look at the snakes for a moment. Modern snbakes have no visible limbs at all. Yet we know they evolved fomr lizard-like animals that had four limbs. We know this in part becasue we can find vestigial traces of limbs in the skeleton.



Good job, you found something is actually also kind of true to creationists and Christians alike (if they'd study their Bible). If you read the Bible, you may notice that Satan was a very good angel, like God's right hand man, so to speak, but then, because of his pride he was kicked out of heaven. He then took the form of a serpant, and deceived the people of the time to eat the fruit that was forbidden to eat (trying not to go into too much details for you evolutionists), and was punished by God in this verse:

"And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed avove all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of they life:" - Genesis 3:14

...I know, I know, I'm not supposed to quote the Bible, according to one of you guys over there; But, it's kind of easier to quote it than to come up with own translation... Anyway, if you evolutionists didn't catch the main point of that verse, it is... "upon thy belly shalt thou go". Apparently, yes, it did have legs, why else would God curse the serpant to go upon it's belly? It wasn't on it's belly before.

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Creationists fear evolution. Because creationists center upon one important aspect. Man is divine, above all other things in creation. hence you see such notions as animals unitelligant, no souls, cannot communicate. Man is superior to all but his creator. "his is to have dominion over all life on earth" as I believe the bible says ( or at least how some people read it as such).



First, we don't fear evolution (or shouldn't). And, again, if you read the Bible, we are not the highest form of creation: the angels are.

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What drives creationists? The assention, Rapture what ever you want to call it. the end of time, when ALL human souls at the end of time rise to sit with the father in heaven. This of course will neer happen in christianity untill 'ALL of mankind follow the true faith'.



First thing is, I think you mean Christians... Also, unfortunately lots of Christians don't think the Rapture is real, or they think it's after the Great Triblulation (another Biblical event), or think it's just some thing that's happening in the distant future, and that it is of no importance to them... So, I'd say, definitely "no", the Rapture doesn't drive most Christians.

Another thing is, where are you getting this "ALL of mankind follow the true faith' stuff?? Certainly not the Bible... it's nowhere to be found. Maybe a crazy church, but it's not the way things really are. The Rapture WILL happen, and not only that but it will happen soon, even if all the people are not ready for it, the true Christians (as in the ones who don't just call themselves Christians... or the ones who don't just do good works: the ones who have accepted and believe in the fact that God as Jesus, died on the cross for our sins) will go up to Heaven for a time and... well, if you guys want me to go on, you can say so, but I've covered the point I was trying to make and you evolutionists are probably bored reading this...

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evolotion ( and science) is resisted by creationists because scince tells us we don't know everything. That all things are not plainly layed out before us and thier is nothing more to know. Something yet again creationsists have absoultuly fought against thoughout history.



I don't know if I understood this, but do you mean that we as creationists resist science because we think we're supposed to know everything and have it plainly layed out before us? Well, let me tell you, if you think I, or any other creationist thinks they know everything and has it plainly layed out, well... that SHOULDN'T be true, as no one knows everything and has in plainly layed out, but I'll bet some people think they do know everything and think that they do have it plainly layed out. But, I certainly do think (or rather hope) that the majority of creationists don't think they know everything.

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Did you know the catholic church yet even today has never offialy accpeted that the earth and the planets orbit the sun? SO how do you expect them to accept evolution?

They won't even fix miss translations and spelling mistakes made centures ago so as to not to upset the now accepted doctrines of the church and its 'holy book'



Would you please stop relating the Christians and/or creationists to the catholics? Though I'll bet most of them claim to be Christians, a lot (if not all) are not. I'm not sure if I've got this straight, but I think they might actually use a different Bible than us Christians also.

- I hope I've been helpful to someone and I hope I've said everything right.