They're created by chemical processes, energy, and so forth.

Science can't prove that something can come from nothing. The creation of matter in vacuum energy still requires a vaccuum (space, time, but no matter).

Science can only prove that we don't know the cause. But that doesn't rule out the fact that we might find a cause in the future. What if we had said, "We don't know what causes the weather, and we'll never know." That would be the end of reason.

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You are reading the wrong things between the lines I think. I'm not trying to control anyone, infact you seem to dodge the whole point(s) I made. I don't force anyone to belief anything, infact if you think so, then you should think about it. Why did you think that I was 'forcing you into believing something'? Not only is this untrue in my opinion, but if you really think so, then you should ask yourself wether I'm not simply right, but you don't wish to give in...




There's a psychology to debate. One major pattern I've noticed is that evolutionists try to control the debate, for one reason or another, because that way they can decide where the debate goes, and change the subject quickly if things get too difficult.

It seemed to me that you were trying to control the debate. By ignoring our comparison of logic and instead asking me to prove that there is something supernatural, you were trying to distract me away from the real discussion, and control the argument by forcing me to argue in an arena where I can't possibly win.

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By the way, there's no 'default position' involved, since science has proven that 'something can come from nothing', but yeah you don't believe that obviously, since it would contradict your belief.




Something coming from nothing isn't a problem for my belief. Because technically even if matter can be created out of a vacuum, there's still something in place. Otherwise where or when does the matter go?

My qualm is with the idea that an infinite nothingness could somehow create our universe. It defies logic. But since you seem to have given up on the logic portion of our discussion, I guess we don't need to bother with that.


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