Excuse me, the one with the geophysics Ph.D is Baumgardner and he got it from UCLA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but UCLA wasn't a degree-mill last time I heard.

What you guys are thinking of are degree mills. Schools where you usually don't have to do anything except pay money to get a "Ph.D." Of course, the burden of proof is on you guys to show that they got their degrees from degree-mills.

Humphreys got his Physics Ph.D. from the Louisiana state University. That is also a 'real' school.

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This is not a very good way to build up your discussion, Irish_Farmer. You think you have won now because Matt made a comment concerning the PhD? That is too funny. I like this thread. It is entertaining.

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What are you talking about? This is about two different viewpoints commenting on a technical discussion between two scientists. I don't think either side has the ability to 'win' this discussion.

Its also apparent that evolutionists are starting to get annoyed by the increasing inability to preach evolution since they're developing new ways to indoctrinate children as young as 5 years old.

Man, that website has an ugly design.

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To be honest. I used to work at a university and everybody can get a PhD. Just write a paper and defend it later in front of a few specialists.

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Good luck doing that without years of schooling. If you're right, and EVERY Ph.D. is useless, then how do I know any evolutionist is qualified?

I accidentally started filling out the application for schooling to attain a Ph.D. at the college I was looking at going to. You have to write an essay just on the application explaining why you want to persue the Ph.D. Then it appeared to me that you have to do more schooling. It sounds like Ph.D.s are a commitment, something that takes years.

Really, you guys are pretty good at distracting the argument from the point. If it wasn't obvious already, then its quite apparent now that most evolutionists have to rely on distraction, confusion, and insults as opposed to real ideas.

I would try and distance myself from the tactics of people like one of Kent Hovind's spokespersons. He downplayed the importance of Ph.Ds, too.

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How is what i said illogical anyway? I just am suspicious that these people have PHDs from actual universities. If they do I would be surprised--I would certainly flunk any geophysics major who believed that Earth was only 6000 years old

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Well, I'll make the case one last time. If these creationists working on the RATE project didn't have real degrees or doctorates or whatever, evolutionists (like Henke) would have pointed it out by now. Evolutionists never fail to point out stuff like that. Henke hasn't done it yet, so its apparent by the tone of his 'essays' that he recognizes these men as 'real' scientists, even if he doesn't view their work as 'real'.

If you guys aren't going to believe anything except what you hear from evolutionists, then that speaks volumes about why [you] people even believe evolution in the first place. At least amateur creationists tend to consider the other side without coming up with excuses for dismissing them, or more accurately: slinging mud.

We're not getting anywhere.